Talk:Joseph Stalin
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Is this a copy of the Wikipedia page?
Ohwilleke 07:56, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) Compare them. If it is, either put in a disclosure of this fact or make such other adjustments as you deem fit.
- DRolfe 08:00, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) - Yes, it's an obvious cut and paste. Our wiki doesn't support the same templates or images. You can see the artifcats of these in the document. Man do I hate copying without attribution.
- This article is from Lestadelc's prolific pre-attribution phase of Wikipedia importing. I'm not one for dreary work, but one could painfully audit his/her contributions over the months before July (when I raised the lack of attribution issue).
- Daniel 08:26, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) Why copy whole pages from Wikipedia? Better to just link to the Wikipedia article. This page, for example, was copied in mid-May, but the Wikipedia page has been seen edits and additions since.
- DRolfe 08:37, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) I don't know why some people think it's necessary. If we wanted all the material from Wikipedia it would be easier to just write a bot to use the xml-exporter and bring it all into this one rather than rely on Lestatdelc to copy each one by hand. I can see valid arguments for excerpting material straight from WP. Forking the whole site is wasteful, imho, in terms of labor, storage, bandwidth, etc.
- Bink 10:37, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) One question that might be worth asking when adding things to the dKosopedia is, "Is this topical?" For example, when I looked on the "Most Wanted" list of articles, I saw "Norway."
However, when I look at what people are Googling for when they arrive at dKosopedia, I see that the top phrase is "John Roberts Supreme Court" and its variations. Clearly, there is a disconnect here and I think it has to do with "scope," or more specifically, "topicality."
"John Roberts" is a popular topic. "Norway" is "most wanted," in terms of a missing article that is linked to the highest number of times, but even were it written -- or copied from Wikipedia -- it is highly unlikely to become a popular topic hereabouts.
I think that this is one gap that contributors are trying to resolve in copying over whole Wikipedia articles.
It would be very good for the folks who currently constitute the ad hoc "dKosopedia Users Guild" to recognize some sort of a convention here in terms of culture: Do we copy over from Wikipedia for non-topical articles like "Norway?" Do we simply de-link "Norway" from articles as being non-topical? Do we just make the Norway article a stub with a link to Wikipedia? Do we attempt to write our own comprehensive articles about Norway?
My preference -- subject to advisement -- is simply to delink "Norway" in articles as non-topical ... and to focus on creating topical content, rather than duplicating other web encyclopedia efforts.
- Bink 10:37, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) One question that might be worth asking when adding things to the dKosopedia is, "Is this topical?" For example, when I looked on the "Most Wanted" list of articles, I saw "Norway."
- DRolfe 10:41, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) - What might be a fun thought experiment is to see how many of the pages at 'most wanted' are caused by links from Wikipedia copied articles. Maybe it's sort-of like a self creating problem: Most wanted leads to copy-paste; then copy-paste leads to new entries floating to the top of Most wanted which leads to... For example: see NATO (looks like another obvious non attributed copy, with plenty of links to Norway.
- Bink 10:50, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) Indeed, a fun experiment, but -- I have a feeling that dKosopedia will sink or swim on the topicality question. So much content hereabouts is many degrees of relevance away from what we can likely imagine viewers coming here for: information from a Democratic/progressive/left perspective about politics. We face either a mammoth task of spinning wheels or a narrowing of scope somehow, it seems to me. On the other hand, it might not really be important at all. It does render the "Most Wanted" tool pretty useless, though. :)
- DRolfe 10:57, 7 Aug 2005 (PDT) - I totally agree. Before anyone adds something from WP, or infact anything (a page for each house rep?) they should compare it to Special:Popularpages's top 500 and ask "Is this going to contribute to one of these, or knock one of these out of the list?" I'm as guilty as the next guy (adding pages like H-bomb or tokamak, copyright, etc.)
This is lifted.
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